An Interesting Situation (Or: That Damned Liberal Media!)

BCampbell

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"I wish we hadn't spotlighted a sex offender, and we will more carefully screen the names forwarded to us as profile candidates in the future. But I don't think our readers would want us to reserve our charity only for those who are without blemish.''

That's a pretty big blemish. But I want them to reserve their charity from him. And I'd still bet he's guilty.
 
Well, as a Christian, I don't believe it's right to withhold charity to anyone. If the man was in danger of dying because he couldn't support himself, it is good and right to help him, regardless of what he's done (or is supposed to have done) in the past. In fact, it is through shared time and charity that one hopes to build a person up into someone who contributes positively to the community.
 
I agree with Basil. The paper obviously wanted to distance themselves from a sex offender. They didn't endorse his past, so they shouldn't have said anything about it at all. Charity is charity. This dude has made mistakes and has a hard life. Give him some help, then some hope. How else will you reach him?
 
Things like public exposure are also considered "sex offenses".

Also note that the end of that article, the guy explains that he was just doing what his public defender said. Now sure, he may be lying, but I think we all know what the job of a public defender is: get the trial over as quickly as possible. They don't work in the best intrest of the accused.

And even if this guy is truly guilty: he served his time! That's what jail is for! So why should we continue to punish him?
 
"Patalino was convicted in 1991 of felony first-degree sexual abuse involving a 10-year-old boy in the city of Rensselaer, according to the Colonie Police Department's Web site."

Because he deserves it. He ruined a kid's life, he emotionally destroyed his whole family, and he DEFINITELY didn't do it just once. He's a pedophile, and you're simply naive if you think that jail will fix it.
 
Actually, you would have to be underinformed to think that treatment is ineffective at reducing the risk of a sex offender commiting another sex offense.

http://www.stopitnow.com/comquest.html

With specialized treatment, a sex offender who accepts full accountability for his or her crime can learn to control his or her abusive behavior. Without treatment, the sexual recidivism rate for sex offenders is 17 percent. With treatment sexual recidivism among sex offenders drops to 12 percent

http://www.childtrauma.org/CTAMATERIALS/sexual_abuse.asp

Treatment is also available to the offender of sexual abuse. While highly controversial and with questionable documentation of efficacy, sexual molestation of children is a treatable, but not curable behavior problem. The primary goal of the treatment of sexual offenders is to minimize the likelihood that the individual will re-offend. This is best achieved by modifying emotional, cognitive, behavioral, environmental, and psychological factors, which support the desire, capacity, and opportunity to offend. Cognitive-behavioral therapies, including Relapse Prevention, have proven to be the most successful at reducing recidivism rates. The recidivism rate for individuals who undergo cognitive behavioral treatment and/or Relapse Prevention is estimated to be 8.1% compared to 25.6% who are untreated

http://www.csom.org/pubs/mythsfacts.html

It is noteworthy that recidivism rates for sex offenders are lower than for the general criminal population. For example, one study of 108,580 non-sex criminals released from prisons in 11 states in 1983 found that nearly 63% were rearrested for a non-sexual felony or serious misdemeanor within three years of their release from incarceration; 47% were reconvicted; and 41% were ultimately returned to prison or jail

http://www.ussc.gov/sexpred/appk.pdf

A major review of the literature on sexual child abuse and recidivism has recently been completed. This review found that “in general, only 10% - 15% of sex offenders are detected committing new sexual offenses during a 5-year follow-up period.”5 This sexual offense recidivism rate is much lower than commonly assumed. However, certain factors may influence these recidivism rates, including treatment, type of sex offender and length of follow-up. Even with extended follow-up periods and thorough examinations of offense records, the recidivism rates for these offenders rarely exceeds 40%

There's a lot more information out there if you choose to educate yourself and look for it.

Also, you're assuming many things. I'd like to know where you found the information that this guy molested the boy, for example. I agree that lives have been ruined here, but we really don't know exactly what happened. You're naive if you think that everyone who pleads guilty to a crime or is convicted of a crime actually committed that crime. Maybe he did molest the boy -- but, maybe his story is true, and false charges were brought up against him and he took the advice of his public defender. If you know which one happened, please tell us and tell that newspaper, I'm sure they'd be happy to hear it!
 
It was in the article YOU posted, didn't you even read it? And it's simply idiotic to think that they actually get better. You have to pay almost no attention to the news in the past two years to the news. What about that girl who was tortured and raped for weeks by a repeat offender, fresh out of jail? Did it work then?

Here are some other cases that were solved thanks to those methods

http://www.local10.com/news/5426646/detail.html
http://www.niagara-gazette.com/feed...ction/D8EBB0V0K.xml.txt/resources_apstoryview
http://www.ci.glendora.ca.us/news/mullicane.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/6027/research.htm
http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene/2005/08/sex_offender_fa.html
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servle...TD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768481527
http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvtx/1041454.txt
http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/mission.html
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=46305
http://www.wftv.com/news/3268678/detail.html
http://www.jsonline.com/news/racine/apr04/225139.asp

And thousands and thousands of others. How can you seriously believe you're right?
 
Of course the news has a habit of not reporting on sex offenders who come out of prison and lead productive lives or otherwise are able to keep their desires in check. I oppose anyone who says it doesn't happen at all.
 
Is the unlikely but still moderately possible redemption of a rapist and/or pedophile really worth the risk of every person they come across? Personally, I think not.
 
Wow, that's a lot of hyperbole. Anyway Steve, please feel free to quote the part of the article that said exactly what the guy did and how we know he actually did it. You do realize that "sex offense" does not equal "molestation", right?

And yes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Sex offenders who don't reoffends tend not to make the news, while those who do, do. The fact is, sex offenses have some of the lowest recidivism rates among all crimes, and with treatment (which doesn't necessarily mean jail time) and effective monitoring, the rates drop even lower. So "unlikely but still moderately possible redemption of a rapist and/or pedophile," is actually wildly incorrect, and may not even be what we're talking about here! We don't know that this guy was a rapist for pedophile!

What's really ugly about this is that the guy was in need. He's on a fixed income, and he's elderly. It would be a very sick thing to deny him aid just because he was conviced of a crime. Why this was even an issue, I'm not sure; it's not like providing aid through this organization would put him in close contact with children or anything. We have to be reasonable; yes, taking past sex offenses into account if someone's trying to become, say, a teacher, is a good idea, but we don't need to stigamtize people or throw them into jail for life for something like public exposure. "Sex offense" includes things like "Luring or enticing a child under the age of 12 into a structure, dwelling or conveyance for other than a lawful purpose," and "Distribution of obscene materials to minor under the age of 18." In addition, in many jurisdictions, any sex offense against a minor under the gaoe of 14 is a felony, so just because this guy plead guilty to a felony sex offense doesn't mean we can assume he committed sexual molestation.
 
Are you blind? The article said, and I repeated, and will do so AGAIN, that he was "convicted of FIRST DEGREE SEXUAL ASSAULT ON A TEN YEAR OLD BOY." Jesus, did you forget how to read? If there were justice for the kid he SEXUALLY ASSAULTED, his "fixed income" would be the 5 cents and hour he gets from picking garbage off highway embankments from his life sentence. And he didn't just "commit a crime." He didn't steal a loaf of bread to feed himself, he RAPED A LITTLE BOY. And I'm not talking about people like a college student who gets drunk and knocks up a 15 year old, or the guy who jacks off in public, I'm talking about RAPISTS. Like this scum who just got a handout.